I like to think its a credit to Armando [Iannucci, the shows creator] and the previous writers, and my current writers, that we can make you root for a terrible person. Sex toy covered in shit. Why am I here? The 15 percent who said no to a Labor Day reveal feel as Eman does: "Some things are more beautiful when left unexplained.". It was so satisfying on so many levels. She adds with a laugh: "So, tough s---. If I dont go crazily in, then it invalidates the previous decision. She was all in. The first Labor Day holiday was celebrated on Tuesday, September 5, 1882, in New York City, in accordance with the plans of the Central Labor Union. She just got to a place in her life where she couldnt help herself. (Luckily Im not American, then I dont have to live under Trump direction.). The more the phone rings, the more there are things to do, shes fine. Shell be the ventriloquist and Ill be the dummy. "It was like you've got a 10,000-piece puzzle and it's that one last tiny piece and it fits in perfectly. "There is a part of Selina that recognizes that Gary is maybe the only one who's ever really loved her, and she's giving that up," says Louis-Dreyfus. Its meant to be. April 19 2015, 7:57 PM PDT. That's it lol . An incompetent boss [like Mike] is the greatest thing in the world then you can do what you like. But Hale says that the ultimate revenge may be Selina's, even from the grave. That they murdered somebody just too easy, Mandel says. That was a nuclear bomb. And I do think its a little hopeful. And in some ways, thats what makes him her father. She is everything that is bad about politics: no real vision or drive to lead via policy decisions. I think those are two old souls that would really enjoy each others company.. That's why he went back. Can you talk about that choice? Gary and Selina were intimate. The idea of winning for both the original and then the sequel, thats cool. But it was nice to see Veeps international fanbase come out to play: Im European, and Europe has a wonderful history regarding our attitude towards Jews, wrote Viktor, whos from Croatia. I did what I was supposed to do. Thats perfect., Did you reach out to Tom Hanks for his death blessing? Louis-Dreyfus said she believed something crosses Selinas eyes of perhaps remorse and love for Gary in their goodbye. This master-and-servant dynamic gone wrong, between the vainglorious VP-turned-POTUS-turned-legacy chaser-turned-POTUS (Julia Louis-Dreyfus) and the bootlicking bag man/dumped-upon doormat who kept her secrets and prepared her snacks (Hale), served as the beating black heart of HBO's shrewd, crude political comedy for seven seasons. By the late 19th century, the Industrial Revolution had made working life miserable for people around the world. A few suggested either watching an interview online in which Anna says it herself (see above), or simply just calling her Anna to be safe. Not sensing any approaching doom, Gary asked if she wanted coffee from across the street and pointed out that it was a chia seed in her mouth. Their only daughter, Catherine Meyer, was born in 1994. ], Obviously, Kevin is just wonderful and devastating and so vulnerable and so caring. I loved it, because it was obviously a salute to the show, but by the way, was also proving my point, Mandel says. And then the past four years before she died, he was out. And that might be his own wake-up because Gary was always, always buttoned up. It was fantastic. I mean, it wasnt a healthy relationship and he was certainly complicit in it in the sense of it takes two to tango. And its hard to make the audience think that in terms of her behavior to Catherine, this is any worse than anything else she has previously said to Catherine. Mandel imagines that Selina is haunted when shes alone and that in those moments of silence, she cries herself to sleep over Gary the most. How Marvel went big with Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania. Oh my God, he could end up as Its sort of like she had put it to bed and realizes now it could be even realer, and then realizing, Oh. Kent (Gary Cole) is a full-on hippie-raising alpaca but wants to focus on his watchmaking! It was a move that on its face seemed shocking and heartbreaking, and served as the show's darkest moment. With your scenes on Veep, not everything is written on the page and you all try alternate versions. And then picked up right where we were [laughs], right back to that sort of withering stare. And we went back and forth on a lot of other things. And by the way, on the face of Megan Murphy, [Veeps co-producer in postproduction]. He just keeps bouncing back to this dysfunction. In that episode Gary has a private company take Selina's garbage back to her home residence. Ninety-nine percent of fans said no, with most lamenting the would-be loss of the Season 5 episode C***gate and the series signature insults. So thats what she did, which is not exactly healthy. Gary disposed of a body for her. How long had you been sitting on that idea as the ending?There was always this idea of jumping ahead to the funeral. What is the feeling in that moment? Ben (Kevin Dunn) has been dead! The betrayal and flash-forward outcome solidified Selinas monstrous transformation and yet, if you ask Hale, he has a surprising take on how it all played out. Oh, yes. How does he view her now? Thats a long time. My hope is that while we are in this horrific Selina Meyer morass, that down the line there is hope. ", That moment also required a degree of restraint for Hale. This is the main character of a TV show, and you relish in her horribleness. "I remember I was outside the room watching the monitor, hearing her go 'Gary' and I couldn't move. Shell never allow herself to sit in those feelings, but she does feel them and then stuffs them down and turns it back on. After 'Veep's' series finale, Tony Hale speaks to The Hollywood Reporter about the betrayal and flash-forward reveal for his character Gary Walsh. And then [theres] the ultimate decision to give it to Jonah, which in some ways is almost as bad as the Gary thing, and Im putting it, like, a hair less. I think we cried the entire way shooting through the last episode. But the way she talks about the position in the finale is so warped its declawing, its demeaning, its worse than death that she sounds victimized for having to serve in that position, which is the second most powerful personOne of the many reasons we called the final episode Veep is that who is going to be her vice president is such a giant piece of her salvation. By 1894, 23 more states had adopted the holiday, and on June 28, 1894 . "He's very bitter. Did he give up because he was defeated and heartbroken, or because he wanted to make this sacrifice for her? So even when shes with people, shes a little bit alone. I compare it to the tinge of remorse she felt while sitting at the desk in the end, when she called Garys name and I wasnt there. Entertainment Weekly is a registered trademark of Meredith Corporation All Rights Reserved. All Rights Reserved. He would rather be attacked and cussed at and abused than be distanced from her. Was Catherines cutting of ties with Selina the healthiest decision she made?Her realization that she was interested in members of the same sex and ultimately her happiness with Marjorie and the family they built I think theres a three-year story there of her becoming a more and better-fulfilled person. And were going to see him again. Gary was complicit in this hideous relationship in which he chased affection and validation that was never available. Yet, Catherine seemed happier for it. Do you agree? I remember when she asked me early on in the series to break up with her boyfriend for her, because she didnt want to face it. That they murdered somebody just too easy," Mandel says. It was right after she finished her speech that the balloons came down, so I think we did that scene over and over just to make sure we got everything we needed before they did. They were putting those two things together and thinking that education is bad, and Im sorry, I think thats wrong. On a personal note, Mandel says the Rizzoli & Isles writers were wonderful neighbors. ANALYZING THE ANSWERS: Two-thirds of the fans who responded said they believe Selina has redeeming qualities, though they definitely had to reach to name some. To me, what defines the worst is that theres nothing you can do. And obviously, I understand why especially in the seven-episode structure, his rise was perhaps even more meteoric than it would have been in the ten-episode structure. Offers may be subject to change without notice. Oh, that sucks! Its been a well-received season of change for HBOs Veep, but as we found out when we posed showrunner David Mandels 13 questions to fans, there are two things you can count on remaining the same: viewers love-hate relationship with Jonah and their shared desire to know what Gary did for Selina on Labor Day. And then when she was writing the book with Mike, a little bit more about her father. Lets just take no prisoners. The Dan-Amy shippers that was never going to happen. Is there any world where you do a spinoff or movie or continue this character in some way? When we see him, hes not looking so great. I agree [about Danny Chung] youd get very sick of hearing about a tank and stuff. To me, it wasnt always about Trump, but it was the symptoms that allowed Trump to exist, and the things that he has wrought. "I'm not going anywhere. Mike McLintock anchored coverage of Selina's funeral as her coffin entered the vagina-shaped crypt. Then he resigns. The idea being, there is at least one more Oscar in the next 24 years, along with the sequel to Philadelphia. Look at how Catherine [Meyer, played by Sarah Sutherland] responded to her mothers death she brought in margaritas! Entertainment Weekly may receive compensation for some links to products and services on this website. But when [the abuse] comes from everyone else,he does see it. I think he definitely saw her in a different light and I think Selinas legacy is a trail of sadness. Shes not one to examine her own feelings, but is she sad, angry, and disgusted at herself for turning on Gary and on everyone and everything else?The great thing about my job these last four years is, I get to write very simple things or talk to Julia about very simple concepts and go, Now play that. Then she does four million things with her face and I get to sit back and revel in it. It was nice to be able to let loose. I think any opportunity where Selina can be dealing with a real political issue, a real piece of politics, and at the same time, we can mix in a personal issue and it doesnt necessarily mean someoned be dying, but just anything smaller and personal thats a great combination for Veep. ", "You look beautiful," he said, loyal to the very end that he did not know was here. He knows all the secrets. I guess that would be a real problem. As Sydney wrote, Mother. By a landslide. About half of those people, without provocation, also added that they'd like to know what was in the trash bag that Selina made Gary retrieve in Season 2's "Shutdown.". If you like TVLine, you'll LOVE our email news alerts! I think you try to stay in Garys world. There was a moment when she was looking at Gary and you could see the sadness in her eyes for him, but she couldnt stop herself. It was very satisfying for him. Check out all of THRs series finale coverage of Veep here. What conversations, if any, did you have with him about the ending and wrapping up the show?We saw each other at the premiere in New York. Post Mortem: Tony Hale Talks Gary and Selina's Epic Clash, Sheds Light on 'Labor Day' Mystery. Everything is so normal that when she starts to try and ask him like maybe she was going to ask him to just take the fall flat-out and she never finishes the sentence but, of course, his assumption is: do you need me to run across the street to get some coffee? That scarily driven, win-at-all costs side of Selina is a hideous sight to behold, except when it comes to the brutal, satisfying comeuppance of Tom James (Hugh Laurie). I wanted to come out and remind people just what Veep was. The gut-punch of a betrayal played out in the present-day ending of Sundays series finale, which then jumped ahead 24 years to former President Meyers funeral. In the beginning of the season, you told me that Gary viewed her as a forever queen. And always the president in his eyes. Quotes like, Thats the least reassuring sentence since Its OK, its just the tip! Ming Nguyen said, She showed a hint of being a good person in [the abortion episode] The Choice in Season 3. When he was right there catching her purse. During her desperate, obsessive drive to return to the White House, Selina (Julia Louis-Dreyfus) betrayed her daughter, Catherine (Sarah Sutherland), the fight for LGBTQ equality, a brave war veteran who was supposed to be her running mate, the nation of Tibet, pristine federal lands, the American educational system, and perhaps most damning to viewers entranced by the relationship at the cold-blooded heart of the show: her over-loyal bagman and one-man hype machine Gary (Tony Hale). And theres no coming back. I think shes that kind of boss that would give you things to do, and before you even had 30 seconds to do it, shed be asking where it was, and then she would take it back from you and do it herself. Shell carry forth, but that moment in the White House is the punishment. MANDEL RESPONDS: He was shocked his personal pick, Amy, got no votes. She has to just let it happen and then turn a blind eye. But the arbitrary rule all but . Whose future outcome amused you the most? I kind of love that. She wanted the Dubonnet. And I think had Sufe not been available, we would have gotten rid of that scene and gone with the other scene. Its so fun to work with somebody whos on the same page. Obviously, it affects millions of same-sex couples, and its horrific. Hes definitely not meant for prison. "I felt in a sense like I had tight reins on myself, I was trying very hard not to let a certain kind of emotion flow out of me," she says. A cautionary tale for 2020, this season was simply darker and more brutal than ever. Veep deliberately feints, more than once, toward real, textual tragedySelina's horrible, accidental execution of her ex-husband, Andrew ( David Pasquesi ), or Amy's suspicion that . Louis-Dreyfus recalls that she had to bridle her own feelings to power through this poignant moment. Veep: Inside the final days of TVs smartest and filthiest comedy Veep stars choose their all-time favorite scenes Watch Veep star Timothy Simons read unaired Jonah insults. Even as Pullman Company and railroad workers were striking, Congress passed legislation in June 1894 making the first Monday in September a federal legal . So we were actually in the sound mix of the episode when we were told this. On Sunday night, the series finale of HBO's Emmy-winning, cynical-to-its-corroded-core comedy answered: To hell. Welcome to the Quantum Realm. She was aware of what she was doing. I think Gary would be offended if he knew what Tony Hale had in his bag: Empty water bottles and sticks of gum. He always wanted to match her. And at one point, we even talked about in the episode where you would meet the General and he plans her funeral, the credits of that episode would be the funeral. A tinge. 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